noexcuse_hope
Senior Member
HK
Chinese ( Cantonese n Mandarin)
- Mar 19, 2019
- #1
Hi There,
What are the rules of forming negative comparative sentences?
With adjective of more than 2 syllables, it seems like substituting more with less works all the time.
- A is more beautiful than B. vs. A is less beautiful than B.
- A is more careful than B. vs. A is less careful than B.
- A is more interesting than B. vs. A is less interesting than B.
but with adjectives of 1 or 2 syllables, the rule does not apply.
The other solution is to use not as..as, but for the sake of figuring this out, could you help clarifying the rules?
Sounds weird:
- A is happier than B. vs. A is less happy than B.
- A is cleverer than B. vs. A is less clever than B.
- A is bolder than B. vs. A is less bold than A.
- A is taller than B. vs. A is less tall than A.
- A is younger than B. vs. A is less young than B.
- A is stronger than B. vs. A is less strong than B.
After citing all these examples, maybe it is not conventional to use less + adjective with adjective of 1 or 2 syllables? With adjectives of 1 or 2 syllable, we need to use the as..as structure. Would you agree with this conclusion?
Thanks a lot,
Chris
Uncle Jack
Senior Member
Cumbria, UK
British English
- Mar 19, 2019
- #2
What do you mean by "as...as"? All your examples use "less [adjective] than", which is correct. You have not used "as...as" anywhere.
rhitagawr
Senior Member
Wales
British English
- Mar 19, 2019
- #3
I suppose A is more beautiful than B means B isn't as beautiful as A. (Careful has only two syllables.) In any case, A is less beautiful than B isn't a negative sentence.
A is less bold than B sounds all right, although perhaps you'd be more likely to say B is bolder than A or A isn't as bold as B.
A is less young than B sounds odd. This is probably because you could say older. If I'm eighty, I'm older than than someone who's seventeen. If I'm less young, I could still be young. But I wouldn't consider myself young if I were eighty. I don't think it's got anything to do with the number of syllables in young.
noexcuse_hope
Senior Member
HK
Chinese ( Cantonese n Mandarin)
- Mar 19, 2019
- #4
Uncle Jack said:
What do you mean by "as...as"? All your examples use "less [adjective] than", which is correct. You have not used "as...as" anywhere.
The as...as structure i was referring to:
- A is not as happy as B.
- A is not as clever as B.
- ...
noexcuse_hope
Senior Member
HK
Chinese ( Cantonese n Mandarin)
- Mar 19, 2019
- #5
rhitagawr said:
I suppose A is more beautiful than B means B isn't as beautiful as A. (Careful has only two syllables.) In any case, A is less beautiful than B isn't a negative sentence.
A is less bold than B sounds all right, although perhaps you'd be more likely to say B is bolder than A or A isn't as bold as B.
A is less young than B sounds odd. This is probably because you could say older. If I'm eighty, I'm older than than someone who's seventeen. If I'm less young, I could still be young. But I wouldn't consider myself young if I were eighty. I don't think it's got anything to do with the number of syllables in young.
rhitagawr said:
A is less beautiful than B isn't a negative sentence.
what do you mean? Why isn't it a negative sentence?
Uncle Jack
Senior Member
Cumbria, UK
British English
- Mar 19, 2019
- #6
noexcuse_hope said:
what do you mean? Why isn't it a negative sentence?
A negative sentence is one where the verb is modified by "not".
"B isn't as beautiful as A" is a negative sentence
"A is more beautiful than B" is not
"B is less beautiful than A" isn't a negative sentence either
It does not matter that all three sentences mean the same thing.
rhitagawr said:
A is less young than B sounds odd. This is probably because you could say older.
I agree entirely.
Most of the "weird" sounding ones in post #1 (which don't sound particularly weird to me) have a corresponding "opposite comparative" form:
less happy - sadder
less tall - shorter
less young - older
less strong - weaker
While for each of them the "not as...as" form is fine, having such an obvious alternative to the "less..." form makes it far less likely to be used, although I would not say that any of them are wrong. "Less clever" and "less bold" seem fine to me.
noexcuse_hope
Senior Member
HK
Chinese ( Cantonese n Mandarin)
- Mar 20, 2019
- #7
Got it!
Uncle Jack said:
A negative sentence is one where the verb is modified by "not".
"B isn't as beautiful as A" is a negative sentence
"A is more beautiful than B" is not
"B is less beautiful than A" isn't a negative sentence eitherIt does not matter that all three sentences mean the same thing.
noexcuse_hope
Senior Member
HK
Chinese ( Cantonese n Mandarin)
- Mar 20, 2019
- #8
Uncle Jack said:
I agree entirely.
Most of the "weird" sounding ones in post #1 (which don't sound particularly weird to me) have a corresponding "opposite comparative" form:
less happy - sadder
less tall - shorter
less young - older
less strong - weakerWhile for each of them the "not as...as" form is fine, having such an obvious alternative to the "less..." form makes it far less likely to be used, although I would not say that any of them are wrong. "Less clever" and "less bold" seem fine to me.
Thanks a lot. I see the pattern that you pointed out. It seems like all these short words have a corresponding opposite comparative form.
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